Sweet Dreams

Only for the Shadows, their music, their members and directly Shadows-related activity

Moderators: Iain Purdon, dave robinson, George Geddes, David Martin

Re: Sweet Dreams

Postby captainhaddock » Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:53 pm

Thanks for that !
User avatar
Posts: 423
Joined: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:50 pm
Full Real Name: Philip Markham

Re: Sweet Dreams

Postby des mcneill » Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:50 pm

noelford wrote:Yep! Astounding it certainly is – a musical tour-de force and I really liked it. But, do you know what? - in the end, I still prefer the the simple melodic version as played by the Shads.

For my taste "astounding",- but not in a good way. The Shads played this beautiful tune with tone,feeling, and expression. Had I heard the other version all those years ago I would have done my best to forget it rather than remember it.

des mcneill
Posts: 321
Joined: Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:30 am
Full Real Name: des mcneill

Re: Sweet Dreams

Postby noelford » Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:09 pm

It really depends on whether you like modern jazz. If you do then you will almost certainly like that version and if you don't, you will hate it! Having said all that, although I do enjoy the odd helping of jazz, I still very much prefer the Shads' treatment of that melody.
Be Inspired But Be Yourself
User avatar
Posts: 951
Joined: Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:17 pm
Location: Living in Hope (-under-Dinmore)
Full Real Name: Noel Ford

Re: Sweet Dreams

Postby Bruce Cramley » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:55 am

Hi Des,

Some years ago, Ade, a well known member of the Shadows community, who sadly is no longer with us, had posted the original piano sheet music of "Sweet Dreams" by Bill McGuffie.

I was curious to hear what the original composition sounded like, but I’m not a piano player so I entered the piano score note-by-note into a music notation program and produced a MIDI file. This is just a simple MIDI file without any expression or dynamics, but at least you can hear the original song and arrangement.

The Shadows' arrangement is melodically and rhythmically faithfull to the original, but departs from the original through the use of "simple" or normal chords instead of the written "jazz" chords (eg. maj7ths, 13ths, 7b5b9, etc). It is also interesting to note that the original contains a repeat, which is marked on the sheet music as optional".

Hope this helps,

http://www.4shared.com/audio/OtRKQtMV/S ... piano.html
Bruce Cramley
Posts: 28
Joined: Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:10 pm
Location: Sydney, Australia.
Full Real Name: Bruce Cramley

Re: Sweet Dreams

Postby des mcneill » Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:37 pm

Hi Bruce,
I appreciate your post and am impressed the Shads stuck to the original so faithfully. Such a beautiful melody doesn't deserve to be turned into a demonstration of someone's technical ability.

des mcneill
Posts: 321
Joined: Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:30 am
Full Real Name: des mcneill

Re: Sweet Dreams

Postby JimN » Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:04 am

UlrichS wrote:Sweet Dreams in the Shadows' version written by Bill McGuffie has a copyright date of 1962 referring to the sheet music.

Quite some time ago there was a sheet music for auction on eBay with the name Sweet September which was written by Bill McGuffie and some others which I could not identify. On the sheet music there was a list of recording artists given: The Shadows, Pete Jolly (?) Trio, Bill Evans & his Orchestra and the Bill McGuffie Quartett.

As the Shadows are listed it will be the same composition, but as there are more people listed as writers of the tune could it be that Sweet September is used for a vocal version?


I know I'm answering a post from some years ago, but i thought Ulrich might not have had an answer to his enquiries.

The tune Sweet September is indeed exactly the same piece of music as Sweet Dreams by The Shadows.

The Pete Jolly version was released in 1964 as an LP track.

You can hear the piece at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHtuzFPx0cw

It's a pretty impressive rendition.

The recording by Bill Evans (there's a name to conjure with) had been released in 1963 on an LP and perhaps surprisingly, was a pretty straight ahead interpretation, given that Bill was the pianist on classic cool school tracks like Miles Davis's So What ("Kind Of Blue" album).


There are two recordings on YouTube credited to Bill McGuffie, but they are both by Bill Evans.

But... there's a very nice version by Joe Pass, played on an electric 12-string:


I really like that one.

Lastly, but not least, there's an astounding Four Freshmen-styled version by Australia's The Strangers, including John Farrar:


It really is just a great tune.
Last edited by JimN on Sun Aug 04, 2019 5:09 pm, edited 2 times in total.
User avatar
Posts: 4118
Joined: Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:39 pm
Full Real Name: Jim Nugent

Re: Sweet Dreams

Postby Moderne » Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:23 am

Thanks Jim! The Bill Evans version of Sweet September which you posted a link to, is accompanied by Claus Ogerman's orchestra...another Shadows connection, 'cos it was he who wrote Stingray!

Posts: 529
Joined: Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:00 pm
Full Real Name: Clive Webb

Re: Sweet Dreams

Postby Tigerdaisy » Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:02 am

Yes, one of the Shadows best melodies for sure and one of the perhaps half a dozen Shadows melodies I bothered to learn myself, plus the similar number 'Blue Star'. I liked the last version in previous post, although it would have been better done and possibly a big hit by the Beach Boys.
I never realised it was supposed to be 'hard' to play- oddly it is one of the numbers I like to play most! To me it typifies the Shadows type of thing.
Last edited by Tigerdaisy on Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:32 am, edited 1 time in total.
Posts: 230
Joined: Sat Nov 06, 2010 8:29 pm
Full Real Name: Martin Kay

Re: Sweet Dreams

Postby Iain Purdon » Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:05 am

Since this thread has emerged once more, I offer Sweet Dreams as a challenge to all club bands. It does take a bit of learning but it will be very satisfying for the players to perform. It may even delight the audience!
Iain Purdon
site moderator team
User avatar
Iain Purdon
Posts: 2541
Joined: Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:21 pm
Location: Axmouth, Devon
Full Real Name: Iain Purdon

Re: Sweet Dreams

Postby artyman » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:52 am

It's a tune that I play at the South Coast Shadows Club from time to time. Seems strange hearing a jazz style piano versions
Posts: 97
Joined: Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:55 am
Location: Hampshire
Full Real Name: Ken Gillam


Return to The Shadows

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 13 guests

Ads by Google
These advertisements are selected and placed by Google to assist with the cost of site maintenance.
ShadowMusic is not responsible for the content of external advertisements.