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Re: The Shadows At The BBC - A Few Thoughts

Postby Fenderman » Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:00 pm

What would be nice is a live set from 1964-70 featuring the great John Rostil, i don't have much live from this era apart from a 1969 Japaneese concert. A legit release of any decent quality concert would be nice.
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Re: The Shadows At The BBC - A Few Thoughts

Postby StuartD » Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:36 am

I agree about a live set with John. The tracks on the new album- from the late 60's- show just what a fantastic bass player he was. The Shads were very fortunate to have him in their ranks at that time.
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Re: The Shadows At The BBC - A Few Thoughts

Postby GoldenStreet » Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:47 pm

With reference to the track "Cerveza" (disc 2, track 2), we are informed in Vic Rust's Shadows Recording Catalogue that, apart from the 1961 broadcasts for Radio Luxembourg, the composer of the tune is Milton Rogers, aka Boots Brown (and his Blockbusters) who recorded the original version. Can anyone confirm if this is Shorty Rogers? It seems pretty likely, although any other documented confirmation has eluded me!

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Re: The Shadows At The BBC - A Few Thoughts

Postby JimN » Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:52 pm

GoldenStreet wrote:With reference to the track "Cerveza" (disc 2, track 2), we are informed in Vic Rust's Shadows Recording Catalogue that, apart from the 1961 broadcasts for Radio Luxembourg, the composer of the tune is Milton Rogers, aka Boots Brown (and his Blockbusters) who recorded the original version. Can anyone confirm if this is Shorty Rogers? It seems pretty likely, although any other documented confirmation has eluded me!

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As a teenaged clarinetist of embarrassingly limited accomplishment, I admired the bare bones of Giuffre's work in the late '50s. In fact my friends and I used to jam on what we took to be The Train And The River, none of us able to figure out if the thing was in any particular key or not. At the same time, I really loved his tenor work. He put out an album on Verve during this period in which his playing continued restrained but seemed influenced to me by Sonny Rollins.

But my fondest memory of Jimmy goes back to his earliest days hanging out with Shorty Rogers. My father worked in a radio station that constantly was tossing out 78s they figured they didn't have room for. I'd go through the stack all the time and haul the sides home. One of the them was an RCA by a group I'd never heard of called Boots Brown And His Blockbusters. Hmmm, sounded like it might be an r&b honking band---and, despite parental admonition, I was into that stuff. The composer on both sides was listed as Milton Rogers. I knew Shorty used that as his formal name, and so I took it home out of enormous curiosity and put "Blockbuster" on the turntable. It was raucous beyond belief! The whole thing was a screaming tenor solo that never lagged for an instant, and the backup blasted hard by, it sounded like, 2 insane baritone men. It became my favorite record and my mother's nightmare.

As many of us know now, if we acquired any of the recent complete Rogers sets, the Blockbusters actually were the Lighthouse guys horsing around. The tenor crazy was Giuffre and the baritone wildman was Gerry Mulligan. But the joke was on me for years and years. I even had a permanent order in at the local record store for any new release that might come along by Boots Brown. Nothin' ever did
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Re: The Shadows At The BBC - A Few Thoughts

Postby GoldenStreet » Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:14 pm

Thanks, Jim - I knew something had to be out there somewhere!

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Re: The Shadows At The BBC - A Few Thoughts

Postby RayL » Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:46 am

Jim,
That's a great series of links! Cerveza - Boots Brown - Milton (Shorty) Rogers - Jimmy Giuffre. And it doesn't stop there because in the same year (1958) that Guiffre was (as that writer puts it) 'horsing around with the Lighthouse crowd' to produce Cerveza he was also writing and recording his jazz pieces like The Train And The River with Jim Hall (who I know is a favourite of yours and who you saw in the States a little while back). (Incidentally, for anyone reading through messages in the link in #44, The bass player with the Guiffre trio at that time was Ralph Pena, not Ralph Pea)

(Sorry if this is slightly O/T)

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Re: The Shadows At The BBC - A Few Thoughts

Postby JimN » Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:51 pm

There's a contemporary Youtube video on the Giuffre trio playing The Train And The River, Ray.

I remember the album. Never had a copy myself, but it was ubiquitous on the jazz shelves in the 1960s.

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Re: The Shadows At The BBC - A Few Thoughts

Postby rollercoaster » Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:55 pm

Iain_P wrote:
rollercoaster wrote:they couldn't reach agreement with the other parties


Do we know if the sticking point was financial or artistic?
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I was told that it was financial and artistic, ie EMI could not get the BBC to play fair financially and the artists would not accept their much reduced royalty due to the intransigence of the BBC. This of course could have been an excuse on someone's part for not being able to achieve what EMI wanted. Either way the project failed ... twice.
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Re: The Shadows At The BBC - A Few Thoughts

Postby rollercoaster » Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:11 pm

I am pleased to say the Cliff & Drifters/Shadows Saturday Club CD is nearly ready (intended release date is 31st October 2012). There are a few Drifters/Shadows tracks, and we have more ... they will form a Drifters/Shadows CD to be released later. Sorry that these projects take so long, but we like to get things as near-perfect as possible. Hopefully the results will please most people ...

More details are on the Rollercoaster Website:
https://www.rollercoasterrecords.com/ca ... ft6694jmh1

Here is a track listing of the Cliff & Drifters/Shadows CD.
TRACKS CD1: Music from Saturday Club 1958-1960 + Bonus Tracks 1. DYNAMITE! 1:49 2. I’M IN LOVE AGAIN 2:03 3. GUITAR BOOGIE The Drifters 1:50 4. DREAM LOVER 2:31 5. MEAN STREAK 1:50 6. DRIFTIN’ The Drifters 2:26 7. RIP IT UP 2:11 8. JET BLACK – The Drifters 2:15 9. LIVING DOLL 2:31 10. C’MON EVERYBODY 1:59 11. STEADY WITH YOU 2:21 12. READY TEDDY Carlin Music 1:46 13. APRON STRINGS 2:36 14. NEVER MIND 2:01 15. DANNY 2:52 16. DON’T BUG ME BABY 2:17 17. I’M IN LOVE AGAIN 2:07 18. GEE WHIZ, IT’S YOU 1:48 19. YOU’RE JUST THE ONE TO DO IT 2:15 20. APACHE The Shadows 2:50 21. WHAT’D I SAY 2:48 22. WHERE IS MY HEART? 2:16 23. QUATERMASSTERS STORES The Shadows 1:52 24. PLEASE DON’T TEASE 2:43 25. HANG UP MY ROCK’N’ROLL SHOES 2:30 26. MOVE IT! 2:08 27. MY BABE 2:12 28. BABY I DON’T CARE 2:01 29. HIGH CLASS BABY 2:14 30. BABY I DON’T CARE 2:02 31. DOWN THE LINE 2:02 32. DANNY 2:52 33. SUMMERTIME BLUES 1:51 34. WHOLE LOTTA SHAKIN’ GOIN’ ON 2:38

CD2: Live Music, Introductions and Interviews from Saturday Club 1958-1960 1. SATURDAY JUMP Humphrey Lyttelton & His Band. Brian Matthew introduces Saturday Club 13th April 1959 1:42 2. C’MON EVERYBODY 1:59 3. Cliff reads a request 0:12 4. STEADY WITH YOU 2:21 5. Brian Matthew introduction 0:11 6. READY TEDDY 1:46 7. Cliff reads a request 0:18 8. APRON STRINGS 2:36 9. Brian Matthew introduction 0:18 10. NEVER MIND 2:00 11. Cliff introduction 0:10 12. DANNY 2:52 13. Brian Matthew introduction 0:05 14. DON’T BUG ME BABY 2:17 15. SATURDAY JUMP Humphrey Lyttelton & His Band Brian Matthew: programme ending 1:11 16. SATURDAY JUMP Humphrey Lyttelton & His Band Brian Matthew introduces Saturday Club 20th June 1959 1:42 17. MEAN STREAK 1:50 18. Cliff introduction 0:13 19. DREAM LOVER 2:30 20. Brian Matthew reads a request 0:33 21. I’M IN LOVE AGAIN 2:07 22. Cliff introduces the Drifters and a request 0:13 23. DRIFTIN’ The Drifters 2:26 24. Brian Matthew reads a request 0:30 25. RIP IT UP 2:11 26. Cliff reads a request and introduces the Drifters 0:12 27. JET BLACK The Drifters 2:16 28. Brian Matthew talks about Jet Harris 0:09 29. Brian Matthew reads requests 0:43 30. LIVING DOLL 2:30 31. SATURDAY JUMP Humphrey Lyttelton & His Band 1:17 Brian Matthew: programme ending 32. Time signal, Cliff & Jim Dale introduce Saturday Club in London & SATURDAY JUMP Humphrey Lyttelton & His Band 1:27 33. DYNAMITE! 1:49 34. Cliff & Jim Dale introduction 0:21 35. I’M IN LOVE AGAIN 2:03 36. GUITAR BOOGIE The Drifters 1:52 37. Time signal & Brian Matthew introduces Saturday Club 6th August 1960 & SATURDAY JUMP Humphrey Lyttelton & His Band 1:07 38. GEE WHIZ, IT’S YOU 1:48 39. Brian Matthew introduction 0:06 40. YOU’RE JUST THE ONE TO DO IT 2:14 41. Cliff introduces the Shadows and reads requests 0:28 42. APACHE The Shadows 2:50 43. Brian Matthew & Cliff introduction & request 0:12 44. WHAT’D I SAY 2:48 45. Cliff reads a request 0:33 46. WHERE IS MY HEART? 2:15 47. Brian Matthew & Cliff discuss photographs and requests for the Shadows 0:38 48. QUATERMASSTERS STORES The Shadows 1:51 49. Brian Matthew introduction and Cliff reads requests 0:57 50. PLEASE DON’T TEASE 2:43 51. Brian Matthew reads request, and programme ending SATURDAY JUMP Humphrey Lyttelton & His Band 1:34 52. HANG UP MY ROCK’N’ROLL SHOES 2:33

By the way, someone mentioned earlier here that Cliff & The Shadows would have had three-hour sessions when recording at the BBC, similar to the time allowed at Abbey Road ... in fact at the Beeb, they sometimes had as little as half an hour to record four or five songs. This accounts, in my view, for the sheer energy born out of spontaneity, or desperation. Whatever .... it worked as most of the live recordings are as good as, or even better, than the Columbia tracks!
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Re: The Shadows At The BBC - A Few Thoughts

Postby Martin Page » Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:05 pm

Fantastic news!

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