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Re: Theme for Young Lovers

Postby RayL » Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:09 am

iefje wrote:He surely is absent from the mix, because it is Brian Locking who plays bass guitar on this track.

Ah, my error. Bruce's book says that John Rostill joined 'at Christmas 1963' and Theme was recorded 1st November 1963.

Uncle Fiesta - thanks, interesting article.
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Re: Theme for Young Lovers

Postby Iain Purdon » Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:40 pm

The Locking-Rostill handover took place over most of November 1963 and there are studio photos with Licorice playing and John looking in through the window. Later in the month John did some recording but Brian did another TV show.
I don’t know the fine details but I suspect Brian did the work he’d already agreed to before he decided to leave and John did everything put in the diary after that.

Whoever balanced the sessions often kept the Locking bass low in the mix. I don’t know why. Certainly not Brian’s fault. Those of us who’ve seen him play know how energetically he handles the instrument!
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Re: Theme for Young Lovers

Postby JimN » Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:00 pm

The replacement of Licorice by John was announced in November and he even did a short sub-interview with the NME (about his reasons) within an article about a Shadows trip to France. The same article mentioned the "new Burns guitar".

John was seen in music press photos but wasn't seen "performing" until the afternoon of Christmas Day that year (miming to Geronimo on ITV, if I recall correctly).
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Re: Theme for Young Lovers

Postby Fenderman » Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:04 pm

Iain Purdon wrote:The Locking-Rostill handover took place over most of November 1963 and there are studio photos with Licorice playing and John looking in through the window. Later in the month John did some recording but Brian did another TV show.
I don’t know the fine details but I suspect Brian did the work he’d already agreed to before he decided to leave and John did everything put in the diary after that.

Whoever balanced the sessions often kept the Locking bass low in the mix. I don’t know why. Certainly not Brian’s fault. Those of us who’ve seen him play know how energetically he handles the instrument!


I'm pretty sure John played on an early version of Razzmatazz in November 1963 that appeared on the Abbey Road CD. This was his first ever recording.
Oh, and EMI didn't get 8 track till summer 1968 at the insistence of the Beatles (or so i'm led to believe!)
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Re: Theme for Young Lovers

Postby iefje » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:23 am

Fenderman wrote:I'm pretty sure John played on an early version of Razzmatazz in November 1963 that appeared on the Abbey Road CD. This was his first ever recording.


That particular version was recorded on November 27th, 1963. It wasn't the first recording with The Shadows he played on, because four days earlier on the 23rd he played on both sides of the Cliff Richard & The Shadows single "I'm The Lonely One"/"Watch What You Do With My Baby". Incidentally, Bruce was absent during this period, so Hank also played the rhythm guitar parts.
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Re: Theme for Young Lovers

Postby Derek Mowbray » Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:54 pm

JimN wrote:The replacement of Licorice by John was announced in November and he even did a short sub-interview with the NME (about his reasons) within an article about a Shadows trip to France. The same article mentioned the "new Burns guitar".

John was seen in music press photos but wasn't seen "performing" until the afternoon of Christmas Day that year (miming to Geronimo on ITV, if I recall correctly).

The show on Christmas Day was the Jack Parnell show Licorice was down to do the show but John Rostill fitted into The Shadows so quickly that he did it instead ,as said The Shadows mimed Geronimo and Cliff did Lucky Lips it was pre- recorded before they left to The Canary Islands .
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Re: Theme for Young Lovers

Postby Fenderman » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:01 pm

iefje wrote:
Fenderman wrote:I'm pretty sure John played on an early version of Razzmatazz in November 1963 that appeared on the Abbey Road CD. This was his first ever recording.


That particular version was recorded on November 27th, 1963. It wasn't the first recording with The Shadows he played on, because four days earlier on the 23rd he played on both sides of the Cliff Richard & The Shadows single "I'm The Lonely One"/"Watch What You Do With My Baby". Incidentally, Bruce was absent during this period, so Hank also played the rhythm guitar parts.


Ahh ok, thanks :D
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Re: Theme for Young Lovers

Postby hansaustria » Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:49 am

Isn't it on a later re-recording. If you listen carefully the playbacks are different to the original.

https://www.discogs.com/de/The-Shadows- ... se/2968315

Re-recording from 1989.

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Re: Theme for Young Lovers

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Re: Theme for Young Lovers

Postby shadowriter » Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:11 pm

abstamaria wrote:Marlene Dietrich’s version began with a single note-

https://youtu.be/Q1GdfqT3Uq0

Didn't even know there was a vocal version. Learn something new everyday. Thanks
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