My Meazzi Echomatic with video

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My Meazzi Echomatic with video

Postby dave robinson » 18 Feb 2021, 15:08

Well I finally resisted years of buying one but this cropped up and here it is. Have a listen to these, Im happy. ;)

KonTiki

https://soundcloud.com/dave-robinson-85 ... iki-meazzi

Peace Pipe

https://soundcloud.com/dave-robinson-85 ... ipe-meazzi


Midnight

https://soundcloud.com/dave-robinson-85 ... ght-meazzi

https://youtu.be/yiMZ2VDXbeA Here's a video of me using the Echomatic - The Stranger

https://youtu.be/_CTKVej8cZw Find Me A Golden Street
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Re: My Meazzi Echomatic

Postby Bojan » 18 Feb 2021, 15:36

The magic is definitely there Dave !! :)
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Re: My Meazzi Echomatic

Postby dave robinson » 18 Feb 2021, 15:51

Yes Bojan I can hear it, I had been a doubter for years that the Meazzi played such a big part in the sound but I humbly admit to being wrong in that assumption.
In mitigation I will plead that my hearing was not as it should have been for a long time and this was discovered during my cancer treatment which we got rid of and sorted out my problems. My hearing is good with the aids they gave me and I'm into my music again.
I am actually shocked that all I needed to do was plug in and play and this is the result. No messing about placing mikes in strategic positions, what you hear is what it is.
I used a Strat strung with 11/54 Ernie Ball strings with a wound 3rd. Into the Meazzi Micro 5 channel, the Meazzi into my Fender Deluxe Reverb ToneMaster with the DI into my Logic system on the Mac. Only Bass & Treble were set at 1 - That's it
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Re: My Meazzi Echomatic

Postby roger bayliss » 18 Feb 2021, 19:06

That is a keeper Dave, got the sound for sure. :o
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Re: My Meazzi Echomatic

Postby rockinscott » 19 Feb 2021, 00:19

There is definitely something in there Dave, To me it sounded like there was some hard clipping on Midnight but that could be the crappy built-in speaker in my work computer. But I love the ambience from the unit. I had always dismissed the transistor variants but I'm pretty impressed. Are you considering modding the head spacing's or anything?

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Re: My Meazzi Echomatic

Postby dave robinson » 19 Feb 2021, 00:48

Thanks guys for you time and input.
Yes Scot I'm moving the 800ms head as it is useless and would be better served at 510ms which will allow the Apache echo to be used. Amanda has said it can be done and I'll have a look at it and decide if I want to drive to Birmingham to get it done.
Other than that I like it a lot, even though it's isn't spot on, but I prefer the sound to the ones I've had that are allegedly spot on. No modern machine has ever produced that magic that I and my friends have heard from this Meazzi. If I knew what it was I could make a fortune but it's nameless. ;)
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Re: My Meazzi Echomatic

Postby rockinscott » 19 Feb 2021, 04:02

Yeah, that's a pretty big gap to the 800ms head, if your going to keep it I think it would be worth doing. But how tou are with gear I would be surprised to see you with a molded valve unit in the future ;) :lol: at the end of the day if your happy and enjoy it that's all that matters.
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Re: My Meazzi Echomatic

Postby dave robinson » 19 Feb 2021, 11:29

Since I made these tracks I have some thoughts I ought to share.
I've said this on numerous occasions and I'm going to bring it up again because there has to be an acceptable explanation as to why this sound is so close to those originals.
In 1958 when Cliff recorded 'Move It' there were no Shadows in existence and session men played the instruments on this track.
We know who they were as it's well documented and the guitarist Ernie Shear used his Hofner President through a Fender amplifier, though which one is a subject for debate, but the DeLuxe Reverb or Tremolux have been mooted as the type. There was no Meazzi echo box on the track and it was the Abbey Road Reverb and the mixing desk (Neve) that made this magical guitar sound that we all cherish.
What I'm saying is that 'Move It' represents the sound of the early Shadows before they actually formed and the common denominator here is the Abbey Road studio and it's equipment. The Shadows sound is well known to be achieved using a Fender Stratocaster through a Vox amplifier, with a few different Meazzi echo boxes over time.
Now fast forward to yesterday when I made my first ever recording with my Meazzi (I'm told that it's a 1960 transistor echomatic) but I also used a Fender DeLuxe Reverb amplifier, albeit differently by using the state of the art DI socket to get it to the recorder, as well as the JHS Colourbox V2, which represents a channel strip on the Abbey Road, Neve mixing desk.
I didn't mess around trying to copy those guitar tones from the records, I used what I believed was a generic sound that I was happy with and played all three tunes in a single take on the same settings except for removing one head on the Meazzi for 'Midnight'. The Fender amp had the treble & bass controls set to *1, as it is known that you get a good Vox tone by doing that. So what I'm putting forward is, although my equipment was mostly modern, except the Meazzi, the combination of it still produced that magic and I was very surprised just how authentic it sounded after years of trying to get it with other gear but never quite right.

The JHS Colourbox is not a cheap piece of kit and has had exceptional reviews in the technical music circles for replicating the Abbey Road desk, it's claimed that The Beatles used to DI their guitars and this box can copy the sound perfectly, from crisp clean sounds to the fuzziest of heavy tones. I've tried it and it does.
The Fender Tone Master Deluxe Reverb isn't cheap either and reviews tell us that it nails the original 'tube' sounds that this amp has been known for over decades.
We already know about the Meazzi and how it can bring magic to a Stratocaster, though I have heard many Meazzis sound bad, simply because they are easy to push over the top into distortion, which is one of the things that made me resist them. It's well documented on this site that I believed the Meazzi wasn't the magic bullet simply because of the 'Move It' evidence.
Since I made it known that I was interested in buying the Echomatic, I've had no end of good advice from experienced people about being aware of overloading the signal as these distort fairly easily and the first day I had it I heard it a lot. One has to resist pushing the input levels in order to get that clean sound, but with just enough 'grit' to give it character and appear to remain clean.
In conclusion I now actually believe that used carefully and avoiding that 'overload', the Meazzi is an important ingredient to THAT SOUND and as I have finally seen it for myself I'm a happy person. :)
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Re: My Meazzi Echomatic

Postby roger bayliss » 19 Feb 2021, 16:26

The only drawback with the Meazzi , is the maintainance and maybe reliability for gigging, but a wonderful bit of the past . Expensive and scarce as well. Depends how close to the record you want to get in a live or recording situation. Think I would be inclined to keep it for recording and home use and occassional live uses.
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Re: My Meazzi Echomatic

Postby dave robinson » 19 Feb 2021, 19:06

You've hit the nail on the head there Roger, that's my intention as they do not travel very well.
As long as it's here to play with I'm going to be a very happy bunny. :)
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