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Re: H and C echo V Blue Nebula echo

Postby Echotapper » Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:13 am

dave robinson wrote:The H&C has timbres in there that no other has and you need a very trained ear to appreciate it. I struggle at times and honestly think that in a mix, to most, it would be undetectable.
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Hi Dave,
Does your remark implies that you've used the BN already or is your comments an opinion based on my eTap2hw ('that no other has...') ? If the latter is the case you'll find the BN's analog behaviour to be different, more advanced and possible to your liking also. Money required to exchange for a product, the other remark, is no measure of quality at all!

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Re: H and C echo V Blue Nebula echo

Postby keithmantle » Sun Jun 05, 2016 12:06 pm

Hi Piet, I've ordered my BN for the 11th June delivery, I'm not so hot with a computer so hope that I'll be able to download patches/Edit etc without too many problems, I've been using a Etap Eccamatic 2 Valve for some time, Many thanks for all your and all the Stanley teams hard work. Regards Keith
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Re: H and C echo V Blue Nebula echo

Postby Echotapper » Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:09 am

keithmantle wrote:Hi Piet, I've ordered my BN for the 11th June delivery, I'm not so hot with a computer so hope that I'll be able to download patches/Edit etc without too many problems, I've been using a Etap Eccamatic 2 Valve for some time, Many thanks for all your and all the Stanley teams hard work. Regards Keith


Keith, the BN is a product that is regarded by me as the pinacle of what can be achieved with the FV-1 DSP unit inside. It is a product of intense effort by a fantastic team of academics and engineers all specialists in all areas of this echo device. The end product's launch is a very proud moment for me especially as it's leaps better then my own 'classic' eTap2hw products. You're in for something special!!

I know some video's are produced presently to learn/demonstrate that PC interface (also other instructions) , it was designed for simplicity also .

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Re: H and C echo V Blue Nebula echo

Postby AlanMcKillop » Mon Jun 06, 2016 3:37 pm

Here's a S/F from Alan Simm using the BN with a little AR reverb.

https://app.box.com/s/tjn2o51taersj35ctlc80jcafjylb13p
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Re: H and C echo V Blue Nebula echo

Postby keithmantle » Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:15 am

Hi Alan, do you know if you can add the AR reverb to a patch or would you have to use another etap/reverb pedal in the chain ?.
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Re: H and C echo V Blue Nebula echo

Postby AlanMcKillop » Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:32 am

I'm not sure how he did it, if it was me I would have the BN going into my Zoom G3X (abbey road reverb patch) and mix to taste. The unit sounds great on it's own, I guess you just need to add something to get as close as you can to the recorded sound.
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Re: H and C echo V Blue Nebula echo

Postby Hank2k » Tue Jun 07, 2016 12:19 pm

as alan said you cannot use the reverb aswell as the echoes however it does do a really good job. I tried it alongside a Q2 last week and it definately sounded a lot more defined than the Q2
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Re: H and C echo V Blue Nebula echo

Postby keithmantle » Tue Jun 07, 2016 12:42 pm

Thanks Al & Steve , I'll use the AR reverb in my Eccamatic if I need to.
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Re: H and C echo V Blue Nebula echo

Postby dave robinson » Tue Jun 07, 2016 3:45 pm

Echotapper wrote:
dave robinson wrote:The H&C has timbres in there that no other has and you need a very trained ear to appreciate it. I struggle at times and honestly think that in a mix, to most, it would be undetectable.
You pays yer money etc etc. :)


Hi Dave,
Does your remark implies that you've used the BN already or is your comments an opinion based on my eTap2hw ('that no other has...') ? If the latter is the case you'll find the BN's analog behaviour to be different, more advanced and possible to your liking also. Money required to exchange for a product, the other remark, is no measure of quality at all!

Kind regards,

Piet



The comments that I made are based on my owning two different eTap machines, one solid state and one valve, the TVS3, the ESE Echomatic which is by far the best sounding, the Zoom G3x and the Zoom MS-70. I have spent substantial amounts of money in my quest and in all honesty should have stopped at the ESE Echomatic, because none sound any better or any more accurate. Charlie did the research and got it as close as I have heard with a digital unit, as did you Piet , but the H&C is a compact and easy to operate piece and he got it right first time, without endless proto-types and the need for us to keep spending more money, the H&C cost less money in total, than that of the path that leads to the current Blue Nebula (I have spent around £250 twice for eTap machines as well as over £200 for the Zoom machines that I no longer use) . For that reason I won't be buying one, as enough is enough. Had the eTap2 waited until this latest incarnation was available, I may have gone for it, but in the end the listeners don't care which echo machine one uses as long as it sounds good and that is usually a large percentage down to the player. I don't actually use my H&C or my ESE Echomatic, I use my trusty old Vox Tonelab SE, programmed by me and people don't know the difference.
We regularly play to sold out theatres and the comments from interested parties have never, ever been deteramental about my echo sound, in fact I have been asked if the H&C or ESE have been concealed because the sound suggests that they must have been used. I have total satisfaction in sound and avoid discussion wherever possible in and around my work.
The end product is from playing and the way you play and set up your equipment, sorry but there are no magic bullets that will achieve success for you without the effort and time. :)
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Re: H and C echo V Blue Nebula echo

Postby Echotapper » Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:30 am

Thanks Dave for your answer!

I fully agree with you that echoes are secondary to the skill of the player to produce a sound that's appealing to the listeners/audience. These days, with sofisticated hardware, most of the offerings are very closely related and differences are not detected by untrained ears anymore. Also, there is a tendency these days by pro-semi pro's to have the device not acting as a tape/disc device but just echo generations without artifacts!

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