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Re: NUX Tape Core pedal

Postby dave robinson » Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:04 am

I believe that it will work well, based on an experiment that I did adding a fourth tap using the Zoom MS-100 .

I set the NUX Tape Core to deal with the first three taps eg 106ms 204ms 285ms with zero feedback, then set the Zoom at 360ms slightly louder with feedback. The result is pleasing and sounds like Wonderful Land and all those other tunes that use the same pattern. You make minor adjustments to get the others. You can work with different head levels to a certain extent by using to pedals. The timing possibilities are endless if you can get your head around the 'note values' and timing.

It's easy to get the Apache, MOM, Frightened City echo from one NUX Tape Core, just by using the software and changing the tap values, in fact I got it identical to the one for Apache on the H&C and the echo tone is beautiful.

One thing I do recommend is that you take note of the different positions of those note values when editing, I have taken pictures of the ones that sound good.

Some people may find it fiddly, but because I understand a lot of what's going on I find it rewarding and learning.
After all, in these times we find ourselves in it's good to have something like this to help relieve the boredom. I do a bit of this, a bit of guitar playing (I'm learning new techniques such as finger picking) which is fun as well as being challenging, as well as gardening, reading, it's like being on holiday. ;)
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Re: NUX Tape Core pedal

Postby dave robinson » Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:42 pm

Well the extra NUX Tape Core pedal arrived from Bax Shop and I immediately hooked the two together and set the timings as I described in my post above. It works absolutely great and has just made my Strymon Volante redundant - yes it's that good ! :)
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Re: NUX Tape Core pedal

Postby emielvisser » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:38 am

Good that the extra Nux does what you expectied.
I got a reply from Nux, the LOAD button is to save the setting in the PC.
They also send me the link for a demo video:

https://youtu.be/9SqMISSGJ_o

I hope it helps.
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Re: NUX Tape Core pedal

Postby dave robinson » Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:23 am

Yes I've seen all the associated videos and haven't learned too much from them.
What I have found though, is that my edits for the correct head timing in order to achieve the Meazzi Echomatic 2 (the Wonderful Land pattern) were saved and remain in place on the first pedal that I bought. I set up the first three heads 106ms - 204ms - 285ms , no feedback, saving them to position 6.

I also saved the Apache pattern which is achievable using the note values to position 4, meaning that because Apache uses only three heads, it can be found by using a single pedal.
To get the correct Wonderful Land pattern you need another head, so I use a second pedal for that, setting a single repeat at 360ms and slightly louder than the first three heads to give the correct effect. I also added a little feedback to this head, as was on the original.

Like I've said before, I loosely understand how these things work having had some experience with the real machines, as well as picking up tips from Charlie Watkins and Alan Jackson, so getting the sounds out of the new digital pedals is easy, as long as they possess the parameters to adjust.
I suspect that the new technology that has come to the forefront in recent years, has been embraced by all the pedal companies as they all now seem to be capable of producing echo effects on their latest machines that we could only dream about back in 1999 when the Alesis Q2 became popular.
I for one am enjoying the ride, trying out new and comparatively inexpensive gear, especially as we have all this time to kill. ;)
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Re: NUX Tape Core pedal

Postby roger bayliss » Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:40 pm

A couple of years back I used a Strymon El Capistan for the main echo of Wonderful Land and the other 3 heads provided by another pedal and it sounded great, so I I imagine 2 Nux could work really well.
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Re: NUX Tape Core pedal

Postby dave robinson » Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:06 pm

roger bayliss wrote:A couple of years back I used a Strymon El Capistan for the main echo of Wonderful Land and the other 3 heads provided by another pedal and it sounded great, so I I imagine 2 Nux could work really well.



I wasn't too confident that it would at first but I took a chance and tried it with the NUX & Zoom. I was expecting a big mess but instead I heard a very tasty authentic sound and was prompted to part with another forty quid, even if it was to be just for fun.
As it happens I'm now experimenting with the edits on computer and looking at the saturation and tone edits. I just love the sound that I've got though, I could honestly settle for that and use it for everything I do - for just over eighty quid. :)
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Re: NUX Tape Core pedal

Postby emielvisser » Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:02 am

The times of my NUX are 106-204-299. The difference of 285 and 299 is very hard to notice as I tried on my ZOOM ms 50.
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Re: NUX Tape Core pedal

Postby dave robinson » Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:51 am

emielvisser wrote:The times of my NUX are 106-204-299. The difference of 285 and 299 is very hard to notice as I tried on my ZOOM ms 50.



The different machines back then would all have given different readings in MS, so I just use my ears. Like no two Strats or Vox amps are identical p it's all within tolerences. :)
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Re: NUX Tape Core pedal

Postby roger bayliss » Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:35 pm

The timings on the old tape machines were set by mechanically fixing the record and playback heads to a plate and engineering tolerances would have meant every machine was slightly different in timings. Charlie hall got the actual timings of Hanks echos from the original recordings.
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Re: NUX Tape Core pedal

Postby GuitarPhil » Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:50 pm

When you use two pedals and only have feedback on the second one, surely the feedback signal only goes back to the input of the second pedal whereas in the real vintage machines, whichever head(s) the feedback was taken from always went back to mix with the original input signal?

That way the heads 'in front' of the feedback head then added echo to the delayed feedback signal again, along with the incoming signal from the input. In the two pedal method only the virtual head(s) in the second pedal would add echo to the signal from the feedback head(s).

Depending on the level of the feedback signal I suppose the difference might be subtle?
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