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Re: Hip Hop

Postby Iain Purdon » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:10 pm

Fascinating. Poor old Graham dares to post an obscure reference to Apache and is rewarded by a -- what's the collective noun? -- a growl of grumpy old men banging on about the non-Apache part of the post :D
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Re: Hip Hop

Postby drakula63 » Sun Aug 20, 2017 12:22 am

MMStingray54 wrote:I think you guys may be confusing gangsta rap with hip hop.

Hip hop started in the 70s, often uses the drum break from James Brown's Funky Drummer (1970), played by Clyde Stubbefield, as its drum part. As with much R and B, soul and funk, there are some fantastic bass parts in hip hop (The Message - Grand Master Flash, Funkin for Jamaica are examples), and as a bass player it has certainly influenced my style.

It has influenced mainstream styles like house, garage and 80s/90s pop.

As I say, I think you're mixing up gangsta rap with hip hop - understandable - but it's like saying you don't like rock and roll because of the MC5 or some of Frank Zappa's more lyrically disgusting period.


Assuming that Wikipedia, the font of all knowledge, is correct, just had a very cursory glance at their hip hop page...


"In the 1970s, an underground urban movement known as "hip hop" began to develop in the South Bronx in New York City. It focused on emceeing (or MCing) over "breakbeats", house parties and neighbourhood block party events, held outdoors. Hip hop music has been a powerful medium for protesting the impact of legal institutions on minorities, particularly police and prisons.[30] Historically, hip hop arose out of the ruins of a post-industrial and ravaged South Bronx, as a form of expression of urban Black and Latino youth, whom the public and political discourse had written off as marginalized communities."

"By 1979 hip hop music had become a mainstream genre. It spread across the world in the 1990s with controversial "gangsta" rap."

Whilst there can be no doubt that the likes of Bernard Edwards from Chic came up with some killer bass lines - although I have always equated this group with funk and disco - I cannot stand any kind of rap, hip-hop (gangsta or otherwise). Nothing good has come out of this genre, as far as I can tell, but plenty of bad. And just about the only Blondie song that I don't like is 'Rapture' - ironic that they probably did more to bring it to the masses than all the 'artists' of the previous decade put together.

Interesting that 'Apache' seems to figure so significantly in the history of hip hop, but I'd say that this is more to do with the US #2 hit by Jorgen Ingmann than by the Shads' vastly superior UK #1 version, which I doubt made much of an impact in the South Bronx!

Sorry, but hip hop is all (c)rap to me. And I wear it as a badge of honour that I'm old and grumpy!!!! :D
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Re: Hip Hop

Postby MMStingray54 » Sun Aug 20, 2017 12:58 am

drakula63 wrote:
MMStingray54 wrote:Sorry, but hip hop is all (c)rap to me. And I wear it as a badge of honour that I'm old and grumpy!!!! :D


You sound like my dad when he first came across Jimi Hendrix in the 1960s!! That said I don't think he got far past Purple Haze on TOTPs to form his opinion. It's ironic that as well as indicating his wrath at seeing this he also lamented the lack of good guitarists like Hank Marvin on the tele! Time has indicated they all have their place in the history of popular music.

There's actually some pretty excellent music from this type of genre - a good example is D'Angelo - the renowned bassist Pino Palladino plays on some of his work, which is what led me to listen to it. There are lots of examples - some great bass and rhythm grooves. The Blondie track is interesting because it does quote the MCs of the time and indeed Debbie Harry has said one of the reasons they recorded it was based on what the band saw going on around them in New York. It's one of my favourite Blondie tracks - has a great arrangement (but then so does most of their music).

Nile Rogers uses The Sugar Hill Gang's Rapper's Delight in current Chic shows as part of Good Times (possibly one of the most recognisable bass parts ever written).

I share your sentiment when it comes to Gangsta Rap....
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Re: Hip Hop

Postby MMStingray54 » Sun Aug 20, 2017 1:12 am

Iain Purdon wrote:Fascinating. Poor old Graham dares to post an obscure reference to Apache and is rewarded by a -- what's the collective noun? -- a growl of grumpy old men banging on about the non-Apache part of the post :D

As I understand it, Apache was (maybe still is) one of the top hip hop break beats (for break dancing - blimey this is 1980s stuff!!). However at the risk of sounding patronising, grumpy, old etc etc, I find the version they use (the one on a recent television ad) to be more amusing than serious, in contrast to The Shadows' version - whatever, that melody is what gets you, no matter which version ;)
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Re: Hip Hop

Postby Uncle Fiesta » Sun Aug 20, 2017 1:31 am

Iain Purdon wrote: ... a growl of grumpy old men ...


That's a 'groan' surely?
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Re: Hip Hop

Postby MMStingray54 » Sun Aug 20, 2017 2:53 am

Uncle Fiesta wrote:
Iain Purdon wrote: ... a growl of grumpy old men ...


That's a 'groan' surely?


You may groan hearing this - I think it's quite witty

http://youtu.be/vQObWW06VAM
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Re: Hip Hop

Postby Uncle Fiesta » Sun Aug 20, 2017 8:28 am

It did indeed make me groan as it was awful. I bailed out after about 45 seconds.
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Re: Hip Hop

Postby MMStingray54 » Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:24 am

Uncle Fiesta wrote: I bailed out after about 45 seconds.


That's good - I was worried after posting it that anyone listening for longer may not be able to resist a little break dancing :) :o ..... could be painful or even worse at our respective ages!!
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Re: Hip Hop

Postby drakula63 » Sun Aug 20, 2017 12:44 pm

Personally, I don't think the quality of the genre is necessarily defined by the calibre of the musicians working within it, but by the quality of the genre itself. If that makes sense?

Certainly, from what I have heard of it, hip hop, rap, etc... is just plain awful in every sense. I hear nothing within it to redeem it. A few weeks ago the execrable Simon Cowell charity version of 'Bridge Over Troubled Water' was given the worst possible start by having some clown 'rapping' at the beginning. I am sure this must have had people reaching (and retching!) for the off switch on their radios quicker than you could say 'Fab Five Freddy'!
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Re: Apache/Sugar Hill Gang

Postby PeterfromBerlin » Sun Aug 20, 2017 3:43 pm

Dear all,

I quit after 38 seconds...

Regards Peter
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