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Re: Gibson guitars facing bankruptcy!

Postby kipper » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:27 pm

I thought I had heard everything bad from the older generation about the youngsters of today being at fault for everything going bad or down hill, but this is the first time I have heard them blamed for the Gibson and fender situation. get off there backs if they want guitar`s or don't want guitar`s that's there choice. this constant knocking of todays young is just plain stupid. our generation was knocked as well if you remember. long haired louts playing dreadfull music ect. give it a rest please the kids are all right. peter
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Re: Gibson guitars facing bankruptcy!

Postby Uncle Fiesta » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:47 pm

kipper wrote: ... our generation was knocked as well if you remember. long haired louts playing dreadfull music ect ...


With good reason, most of it was dreadful! But now that we're older we look back with rose-tinted glasses and only remember the good stuff.
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Re: Gibson guitars facing bankruptcy!

Postby Paul Childs » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:00 pm

kipper wrote:I thought I had heard everything bad from the older generation about the youngsters of today being at fault for everything going bad or down hill, but this is the first time I have heard them blamed for the Gibson and fender situation. get off there backs if they want guitar`s or don't want guitar`s that's there choice. this constant knocking of todays young is just plain stupid. our generation was knocked as well if you remember. long haired louts playing dreadfull music ect. give it a rest please the kids are all right. peter

A lot of the old generation back in our day were still military brainwashed from the war. Things like, ''Get your hair cut'' etc. even wearing jeans was bad according to them.
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Re: Gibson guitars facing bankruptcy!

Postby kipper » Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:06 pm

Uncle Fiesta wrote:
kipper wrote: ... our generation was knocked as well if you remember. long haired louts playing dreadfull music ect ...


With good reason, most of it was dreadful! But now that we're older we look back with rose-tinted glasses and only remember the good stuff.

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Re: Gibson guitars facing bankruptcy!

Postby MMStingray54 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:01 am

chaddman wrote:There are plenty of guitars being sold just not so many Gibson and Fender ones (too expensive). The quality of the ones made in China and other parts of the far east has come on leaps and bounds over recent years and some can be excellent instruments for very little money. :D


I think you've described the 70s and 80s perfectly. Only the country of origin of the competition was Japan. And the copies were better quality than the real thing.

Both Fender and Gibson are no doubt selling plenty of guitars - just not enough to justify the amount they're producing - which seems to be based on a peak which occurred following the resurgent interest in guitar based music in the 90s. Don't forget all these companies nearly went bust in the 80s because the youth of Basildon and the like were travelling to London to record using their newly acquired Casio keyboards - and even top notch sessions players like Anthony Jackson were losing work to keyboards.

Fender and Gibson both have bewildering ranges of period correct reissue instruments - I don't follow six string stuff generally, but I do follow the bass releases, and these are mirrored by the guitar ranges - Fender recently 'refreshed' its reissue range with a rebadged version based on slightly different years and Gibson make very nice reissues of classic years of Les Pauls and no doubt other instruments.

I don't think you can blame kids for not having the gumption to learn to play - the resources are available for them to learn to a far better and more accurate level than ever before and it shows with the extraordinary level of ability you can see every day on You Tube - there just aren't enough people buying instruments per se - maybe that's because the volume of older folk buying them has diminished? Apart from Jim Nugent (I'm guessing you have!!) and me I would be curious to know how many people have bought a new US built guitar in the last two years on this forum? I'm hoping there are a lot - however I'm really not sure of the answer.
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Re: Gibson guitars facing bankruptcy!

Postby cockroach » Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:28 am

I bought a new Fender a few years ago, and I've had a few new and secondhand over the years, but I always preferred Fenders to Gibsons...I only ever owned one Gibson in 1970, but I couldn't get on with it..it had tuning and uncontrollable feedback issues...never bought or wanted one since..
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Re: Gibson guitars facing bankruptcy!

Postby Allclaphands » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:44 am

I think we are not really seeing the real problem and that is POOR or BAD management
wether it be loss of sales because of the wrong products being made and marketed or
as with a lot of companies in the U.K. or elsewhere more money going out than coming
in these things are generally aligned to nearly every business as we see in the news and
it comes down to the heads of businesses not being willing or able or capable of sorting
it out.How many names of BIG companies can you think of that no longer exist.WHY?!!!

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Re: Gibson guitars facing bankruptcy!

Postby Tigerdaisy » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:00 pm

I wouldn't buy a US Fender now- (I did about three years ago, but it was no 'better' than a MIM)- you can very easily customise any Fender to what you want. Fender still make very good instruments and I only ever had one dog (and it was a real dog- I think someone at the factory was having a laugh). I would not ever buy another Gibson and that's been the situation for some years- the best Gibson I owned was from the mid seventies. The blame for the dysfunctionality of today's youth is to be laid squarely at the feet of the 'establishment' who control and influence the masses with their endless propaganda and social manipulation. You can't totally imitate a guitar on a keyboard, but you can do a hell of a lot, which could explain the popularity, it's the reason I've dabbled with Roland guitar synths for quite a few years now.
I've owned a few keyboards, but basically I'm too old to get good enough on the keyboard, (and can't be bothered) and that's why I always go back to the guitar.
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Re: Gibson guitars facing bankruptcy!

Postby JimN » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:40 pm

Apart from Jim Nugent (I'm guessing you have!!) and me I would be curious to know how many people have bought a new US built guitar in the last two years on this forum?

Not in the last two years, I'm afraid.

The last new guitar I got was a new Gibson ES-339 (vintage sunburst, 60s slim neck) just before Christmas 2015, so twenty-six months ago.

But whilst I was at the shop (Coda in Stevenage), I noticed a Gibson L5-CES Wes Montgomery model - used but absolutely as new - for less than five grand. I came back a few weeks later and PXd a cherry 335 and a sunburst 175 for it...

I don't think I've bought a new USA Fender since 1975, but I have two post-CBS USA Vintage Reissue 1962 Stratocasters in Fiesta Red. And a sunburst 1966 Fender Electric XII which I bought (s/h of course) in 1979. Locally, I bought a used Telecaster (USA Standard) in the spring of 2016 at a good price, but that too was s/h.

So all my four USA Fenders were bought used...
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Re: Gibson guitars facing bankruptcy!

Postby dave robinson » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:43 pm

I've bought quite a few brand new guitars since recovering from my illness.
The first was a PRS SE double cutaway with a blue quilted top which is a great guitar.
I then treat myself to the Squier BassVI, then traded in my Gibson ES175 for a brand new blonde ES335, followed by the PX of my Gibson Switchmaster for a brand new Gretsch 6122 like the one George Harrison played.I actually enjoy playing that one.
You can probably guess, I can't get on with big jazz type guitars but I love them. There's something magical and 'rock & roll' about them.
Because I saw it on Ebay with mums birthdate stamped in the neck socket, I bought a brand new USA Deluxe Strat body in fiesta red, fully loaded from Stratosphere and added a birds eye maple neck by Mighty Might (I think), all guitars superb quality and sound with no work needed and any of them. In my experience, I think that new guitars are great.

I sold my Eddie Cochran 6120 Gretsch as I was fed up of the bottom E string popping off the bridge, so I bought a new Eric Johnson Stratocaster to passify my loss. I just recently bought a used Gretsch 5120 in the same orange as my other one and will be fitting the P90 and Dynasonic pickups to make it as close to the Eddie Cochran model as I can get it.
To say the original 6120 EC model retails at £3500 and the 5120 £600, the difference between them is minimal. I took the bridge pickup off the 5120 today, only to find that it's a TV Jones pickup, so a previous owner changed the stock pickup at some point. I have sold a lot of guitars whilst all of this has been going on, collecting ones that I really want, such as my Vox Duotone which is what dad bought me when I was fifteen.
As time goes on one realises that all these guitars were 'wants' rather than 'needs' and I'm currently considering thinning down the collection as I know there are some that I will never play in any of our shows again.
The main thing is that I enjoyed collecting them and so far I have not lost money on the sales.
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