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dave robinson wrote:I think if you listen to the two albums from the same period, Dance With The Shadows & Sound Of The Shadows, the sound pf Hank's guitar is similar and the echoes are too on some tunes. The lead guitar sound is what I would call 'hoarse' and would be the result of driving the Top Boost and getting some compression taking effect. The Shadows did have a drier sound at that time and in truth it is a long way from what people recognised with Apache.

Very true..as time went on in the '60's, Hank seemed to be getting further away from the early sound..I think he admitted as much once in an interview, he said he was searching for a different sound and was somewhat lost as to which direction he should take.

The Burns definitely gave different timbres etc from the Strat..I can only describe it as a dry, nasal but thicker tone, mainly on the middle and neck pickups...when he used the bridge pickup on the Burns, it was similar (but not the same) as the bridge pickup on the Strat. The Vox amp settings and tones seemed different too in the mid/late '60's- maybe the circuits changed over time from the early ones...I can't comment on his echo unit use as i know very little about them.but his guitar sound always seemed more dry with little echo as time went by.

cockroach wrote:

dave robinson wrote:I think if you listen to the two albums from the same period, Dance With The Shadows & Sound Of The Shadows, the sound pf Hank's guitar is similar and the echoes are too on some tunes. The lead guitar sound is what I would call 'hoarse' and would be the result of driving the Top Boost and getting some compression taking effect. The Shadows did have a drier sound at that time and in truth it is a long way from what people recognised with Apache.

Very true..as time went on in the '60's, Hank seemed to be getting further away from the early sound..I think he admitted as much once in an interview, he said he was searching for a different sound and was somewhat lost as to which direction he should take.

The Burns definitely gave different timbres etc from the Strat..I can only describe it as a dry, nasal but thicker tone, mainly on the middle and neck pickups...when he used the bridge pickup on the Burns, it was similar (but not the same) as the bridge pickup on the Strat. The Vox amp settings and tones seemed different too in the mid/late '60's- maybe the circuits changed over time from the early ones...I can't comment on his echo unit use as i know very little about them.but his guitar sound always seemed more dry with little echo as time went by.

When I saw the Shadows at the Paris Olympia in 1964, it was the first time I saw and heard Burns guitars. Hank's sound was very dry (hardly any noticeable echo) and I didn't like his sound a much as I did in 1961 at the same place...

Didier

When I first got my Burns (Shadows De Luxe) I got some great sounds from it and it sounded more like a Strat than a Strat but I couldn't make it sound like a Burns. One David Martin advised me that the Burns sound is more the amp than the guitar - full on bass then tweak up the treble until it just bites (Vox amp of course) That did the trick. The echo is programmed in to my TVS3 and is unique. With most other numbers one or two settings will do the job.

Tab wrote:When I first got my Burns (Shadows De Luxe) I got some great sounds from it and it sounded more like a Strat than a Strat but I couldn't make it sound like a Burns. One David Martin advised me that the Burns sound is more the amp than the guitar - full on bass then tweak up the treble until it just bites (Vox amp of course) That did the trick. The echo is programmed in to my TVS3 and is unique. With most other numbers one or two settings will do the job.

Yes! I recall David posting on this forum some years ago about the sound being dependent on the settings of the Vox amp...

Which is very interesting...but not much use to those of us who don't have a Vox...let alone a Burns Marvin!!

I have briefly played a couple of Burns Marvins through Vox amps, owned by friends, but that's the nearest I'll ever get!

I still believe it's a a long tom, heads 2, 4, 5, 6 seem to fit it to my ears.

Scott

I don’t have a Burns. Should I play “Flingel” on the neck pickup on my Strat? I’m not to happy with the sound. I have 12-52 strings on. It seems to me Hank’s Burns had thinner-gauge strings when he recorded that.

Andy

Judging by the fact that I have never heard the sound reproduced, even by HBM, I'd say that nobody knows! Dave R's observations at the top of the thread are interesting though.

I recently had the Strymon Volante echo in my possession and that machine nails the sound of the elusive Flingel Bunt intro with the growly echo repeat. I did it by driving the input on the unit and it did the job.
the Strymon Volante is a Binson Echorec in digital form and is one of the best echoes I have had the pleasure of using, however I returned it for now and will buy one when the price comes down, as I wanted the Strymon Timeline and couldn't afford both.
I found a used Timeline for the 'right' money and it will be here Fiday.

When you do acquire it, a demo would be great!

I'll do a demo for you Iain and post it here, the Strymon Timeline does it too.