Cavatina

[Martyn]

Thought I'd give this one a go. Any comments good or bad would be welcomed.

http://www.4shared.com/file/220203257/7 ... ina_1.html

(Goran's superb BT; MIM strat with standard US pickups through Magicstomp into TonelabST and recorded using Audacity)

[Mikey]

No bad comments from me, I thought it was great! Good control and expression.

[Martyn]

Hi Mikey,
Thanks for the kind reply. I'm currently having 57/62s fitted to the strat, hoping for a more vintage tone and if you've seen the thread on Charlie's site where I also posted this recording, you'll note how I'm having issues with compression on the TonelabST and plan to experiment further to obtain a more subtle tone. Compression's handy for some tunes but subtle it ain't - particularly on the Tonelabs, for some reason, and this tune requires a gentler tone. I tried to play it in a laid back manner but it needs a rethink, methinks.
I'll pm you shortly to follow up on our previous communications.
This is my latest attempt using the Marvin Burns' middle/neck pickups, no compression, a less prominent echo patch in the Magicstomp plus some reverb. I've kept to the same BT for comparison purposes.
http://www.4shared.com/file/222299172/b ... burns.html

Cheers,
Martyn

[littlelinnie]

Hi Martyn I know Im no expert but Cavatina sounded excellent to me Regards Lynn

[Martyn]

Hi Lynn,
Thanks for your kind comments.
I'm still working on it and hope to update this thread once I've made further progress - always reminded of my school reports a hundred years ago that said: 'could do better if he put his mind to it'

Cheers,
Martyn

[Phil McGarrick]

Hi Martyn,
Nice version of Cavatina. I think it could benifit with the use of a volume pedal and a few pre bends down to the notes here and there.
other than that - great .

Cheers Phil

[Martyn]

Hi Phil,
Thanks for the suggestions and kind comments. I've tried using the volume pedal on my Tonelab but can't quite get it to do what I want. Now how difficult can that be, I hear some folk ask - it either increases or decreases the volume, surely?
Well, yes it does and if I strike the note before pressing the pedal that works fine - you don't hear the initial click of attack just the violin-like warm tone as the note softly wells up and chimes in but if I then immediately ease back off it to do the same thing with the next note the first one doesn't linger on in the reverb as I'd hoped but immediately loses its volume by reversing the effect. I was hoping the first note, once increased in volume by the pedal would carry on because of the echoes/reverb but it doesn't.
A bit like throwing a ball and once let go it carries on whilst you quickly pick up and release the next one, so that a succession of them end up flying through the air. Maybe I'm being thick and it's not supposed to do this but that was the effect I'd hoped to achieve. Perhaps the pedal should only be used on a single note rather than a succession of them and I must leave a pause long enough for the first to complete its sustained effect before repeating the procedure with another.
I can feel the draught from all the heads shaking in disbelief and wondering what's with all this ball twaddle . . .

Regards,
Martyn

[Phil McGarrick]

Hi Martyn,
I understand what you're saying about the vol pedal. I very rarely use one myself so I'm no expert, it's just that this song cries out for it ( if you want it sound like the Shads play it).
I guess it just a case of experimenting and getting used to it.

Cheers Phil

[Mark Burton]

Martyn

Sounds like your volume pedal is a master volume on the output side so everything disappears when you back off the pedal - its the same with the VOX VC-12 foot controller for the valvetronix range.

A separate volume pedal placed before the echo is what you're after, that way the preceding note stays in the echo and you will achieve the effect you're after.

regards
Mark.

[Martyn]

Hi Phil,
I think Mark's just summarised the problem and at least shown me I'm not losing the plot!

Hi Mark,
Thanks for putting me out of my misery - from what you're saying it looks like the only way to resolve this is either to have a separate pedal or limit the use of the Tonelab's one to just a single instance effect. I then have to consider how often I may want to use a separate pedal to justify the purchase cost.
Thanks for the replies.
Regards,
Martyn