APACHE_GARY_50th ANNIVERSARY TRIBUTE BY TVS3

[Spike]

Hi Gary

Thanks listening and for your comments mate!

Just a note of interest for anyone who feels there were traces of Hank on the BT, i have added a small sample of the the Apache BT.

Spike

Apache sample.mp3

A sample of the Apache backing track used. As you will hear there are no traces of Hank in the backing!

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I am still having problems accessing the TVS site.
Whatever I do and wherever I try to get in to the site the same Google message appears as below

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[Spike]

Hi Terry

Try this link:



http://www.tvsspecialtyproducts.com/ima ... player.htm


Spike

[phil kelly]

Be great to hear it played with say the ub hank backing, instead of the Shadows original track , generally a good tone on the guitar , a bit thin perhaps on the middle 8 ( 1st and 2nd strings ) probably down to string guage and the intro needs the open E string for the twang, rather than the 5th fret on the B string, as you expressed interest to Rod in the Sliders Spike is this whats being used ?
Phil.

[Spike]

Hi Phil

Nice to hear from you and thanks for your constructive comments.

As you may be aware Hank used 13 -59's for Apache and Gary used 12 -52, so any small differences that sting gauge may cuase is probably due to thatrather than the pickups.
The pickups we use are fine for all the tunes you hear on the juke box whether they be with UB hank BT's we used or Shads originals. The core sound is there and you have it too.
In fact I didnt notice a significant difference between your earlier pickup sound and the slider pick up sound. They both sound great.
I told Rod I wanted a set for Gary to try on his guitar, not for me or Paul. Gary uses the Hank Marvin Signature original pups and me and Paul use CS54s and 57/62's.
I wouldn't change mine for quids but I would have liked for Gary to have tried the Slider pups.

I have supplied a BT sample above of the Apache original BT used to show no traces of Hank that may have leaked over so there is no need to do it on a UB Hank BT.
Why use UB Hank, when you have the original backing Without Hank
The tone you hear is pure TVS3...nothing else!!

I think if you used your current set up with a bit of mike placement experimentation, you should get a simular result.
The TVS3 works like a Meazzi in the way it responds when its overdriven and you need to do a few trial and error tests to see how yours sounds in comparison.
If you want to post Apache using an original BT, you may want to post that so we can compare notes.

The BT's we make are free but only to TVS3 clients.

Spike

[phil kelly]

Hi Spike,
If you didnt use the original track things would definately sound different with regard to the overall sound , i have said previously how good the TVS sounds but using the original Shads track does add to the overall sound you hear, and i am talking the sound of the rest of the group here, not just Hank.
The short ? sample you provided does not convince me there is no Hank present on the full soundfile , if anything there sounds slightly less bass on the sample in comparison to the full soundfile, which in order to fully remove Hank would be the case with regard to the method of the orig recording of lead and bass on one side etc, lose Hank you will lose the bass.
I may be wrong but as you say and i agree , the core sound is there so why not let us hear it without the Shadows track, so there can be no misjudgement, or any questioning whatsoever, if the sound is there with the TVS there is no need to worry about it not coming out on top.
There is a considerable noticeable difference with the Sliders, its just a pity Hank didnt use them on the tour.
Having had a lot of requests Will be doing a demo of Apache with the sliders soon, but without the Shadows in the mix ,
Phil.

[fenderplucker]

Hi Phil,

What you say about removing Hank and the effect on bass is not correct. Even simple programs like Audition allow you to set the frequency range over which the centre cancelling is effected (assuming use of a centre channel filter and not just simple channel differencing). So it is possible to remove a centre but leave the bass and high treble unaffected. There are now a couple of versions of Apache-without-Hank circulating that have virtually no traces of his guitar at all, and yet the bass and cymbols remain unaffected.

With regard to you other comments, of course the backing affects the perception of the lead sound, that’s why we used a Shadows backing!! Our aim was to show that we could go a long way to reproducing Hank’s original tone, and in this regard the TVS3 seems to deliver the goods!! This can only be done in the same sonic context as Hank and doing it against UB Hank would serve no useful purpose whatsoever.

Regards,

Paul.

[phil kelly]

Hi Paul,
Dressing up the TVS in the mix of original Shadows backings in my opinion ( and the opinion of some others ) and as you have also agreed colours the sound of your echo unit ( or any echo for that matter ) in a very positive way making everthing sound more authentic , and its obvious why you are doing this as it brings it closer to the sound on the records and helps with the marketing of your product and theres nothing wrong with that , but for you to say playing with anything other than the Shadows backings is pointless is not an opinion myself and some others would share, if its as good a unit as you claim it to be it should be heard in a more exposed manner, it shouldnt be confined to just original Shadows tracks to blossom / shine .If i did demos with the Shads backings it would be the same for me and hard to distinguish from the original.
I am not being negative regards the TVS Paul as you know previously i have said that i think it does sound very good , i know i said some others also think the same but this is my own take on it and i cant help feel that this could only be positive in demonstrating the capability of what is an excellent unit, any pro guitarist wanting / considering a TVS like myself perhaps would want to cane it in a variety of guises , to hear it nuts and bolts so to speak ,
later on i hope to try one for myself and really compare / give it a blast , so i will have to wait till then i guess,
As i said , not being negative, its a great unit to my ears and you are to be commended for that, just maybe consider what i and others are saying and give it a whirl with other tracks so we can all hear it from a different prospective,
Regards,
Phil.

[tony parnham]

I am not one of the big-guns on anorack-sound but do own a TVS3. I use it with a GA15 Harley Benton which has been modified with Power Scaling and Pentode/Triad mode 3 band EQ function making it really a Class 'A' amp so please don't dismiss it because its not a VOX. With the short time I've had the TVS3 I have attempted re-creating the guitar sound on the demo's on the TVS site which I seem to be able to achieve fairly easily just by EQ'ing the amp and using the very useful 'CUT' mode on the TVS3. I have also been able to re-create a lot of the original Shadows recordings and of course I am only referring to the characteristic of the lead guitar sound on these.
Just my opinion but I believe the TVS3 has that original characteristic ingredient that's necessary, especially the fact that even I can get close which is why I bought it in the first place plus just wanting a quality echo box for anthing else I might want to play.The Meazzi Emulation is quite interesting with its different levels of dirt and tone thats available and to me if you can come up with the correct EQ curve and probably the Vox tone the elusive 'APACHE' is achievable. I think this recording is cracking example of its replication notwithstanding the missing colour of the Abbey Road equipment. Obviously opinions will differ but I don't think anyone can deny that its mighty close and well done to Gary and the team.
Regards Tony

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Hi Spike - sorry. Still no joy

kind regards,

Terry