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Paul Creasey wrote:If I bought a Gretsch Drum Kit, would I get "That Sound"?
Probably part of the "problem" is the multiplicity of spellings for "Gretsch"...........are we sure that we're actually talking about the same thing?
(Sorry Andy!) I'm with Geoff on this one.

Regards
Paul.

If you bought a Gretsch drum kit you would get a great sound, depending how you tuned it. Our current drummer uses a red sparkle Tama kit which also sounds good, I guess it's down to the player. One drummer we had couldn't tune his kit for toffee, but he was a good player, but his idea of how the snare drum should sound was musically more like a biscuit tin to my ears.

The drum kit we use has the note each drum should be tuned to marked inside its shell. Not easy, and I still haven't figured out how to do that.

Hello Dave,

"I guess it's down to the Player". I really can't disagree with that.
Doesn't that apply to Guitarists as well?

Regards
Paul.

Paul Creasey wrote:Hello Dave,

"I guess it's down to the Player". I really can't disagree with that.
Doesn't that apply to Guitarists as well?

Regards
Paul.

Really ? I wouldn't have thought so.

Seriously , I firmly believe it's down to the choice of cymbals.

I have to confess that I would be incredibly highly amused if Apache had actually been recorded on a Gretsch...after all the endless and sometimes tedious arguments over so many items of minutia regarding 'that sound'. I cannot see how anyone even vaguely familiar with the Strat and more importantly the dynamics of the trem facility could think Apache was recorded on a Gretsch.

Sorry I did write Grotsch.....maybe because I never heard about that brand before....!
My apologies, please someone amend the subject!
Many thanks
Bruno
PS:
my preferred "The Shadows" songs:
- Wonderful Land
- Atlantis
- Peace Pipe
- Sleep Walk
- Apache

In any event a quote from ''Liberty Valance'' applies.

''When the legend becomes truth - print the legend''

Or something like that!

So a Strat it is - either way.

Oh no! Is this one still going?

I've just watched the video Didier posted on the previous page ... interesting.

My opinion is that if you're playing the correct notes, through the correct echo, into the correct amplifier, then whatever guitar you use will get you close to 'that sound'.

Notice I only said close. To get that last few per cent, only a Strat will do. I've used a Les Paul, 335 and PRS at Shadows club meetings, and although most people tell me they like the sound, nobody has ever said they got closer to 'that sound' than a Strat.

Many thanks for replying, as an italian knowing how ...tuscan people are or can be....I would be curious to read all the book just to try and understand how mr. Pistolesi....did arrive to his(wrong) theory/assertions.
As a graduate engineer I am convinced that, apart from Hank Marvin mastery, all was due to electronic "management" of the guitar sound but to have, in the end, released a book together with 2 other authors, ...sounds at least...funny/intriguing to me!
Maybe he menaced them.....!
Or got their permission/approval by stress!
It would be like having a ...counter Bible!
Have a wonderful Sunday, here's raining.
Bruno
Ferrara
Italia

ps: is it possible to have at least an excerpt of the book...somewhere?

br1vittorio wrote:Many thanks for replying, as an italian knowing how ...tuscan people are or can be....I would be curious to read all the book just to try and understand how mr. Pistolesi....did arrive to his(wrong) theory/assertions.
As a graduate engineer I am convinced that, apart from Hank Marvin mastery, all was due to electronic "management" of the guitar sound but to have, in the end, released a book together with 2 other authors, ...sounds at least...funny/intriguing to me!
Maybe he menaced them.....!
Or got their permission/approval by stress!
It would be like having a ...counter Bible!
Have a wonderful Sunday, here's raining.
Bruno
Ferrara
Italia

ps: is it possible to have at least an excerpt of the book...somewhere?

Having spent time recording at Roberto's studio, using his Gretsch / Meazzi / Fender Tremolux, I can understand how he got it so wrong. I played exactly what he told me to play using the instruments that he provided and he sent me a final mix on a CD of our experiment when I returned home. As much as I loved the guy, Roberto was hopelessly miles away with his sound and it was only after he died that I tried the Vox AC15 with the EF86 chanel and heard the sound that he was seeking. He did have an old AC15 in the studio and when I asked to try it with the Meazzi and a Strat, he flatly refused, insisting that the sound was that of a Gretsch 6122 through a Fender Tremolux. It was two months after he passed away that I cracked the sound using my '63 Strat through an ESE Echomatic into a JMI AC15. The sound was exactly as the original 'Apache' recording made by Hank in 1960. I would have loved Roberto to o have heard it, but we had fun seeking the sound his way and I'll never regret the journey. If only he'd let me try his Vox . . . .