AC15 AC30 Burns

[Bojan]

I know we've been through this before, but would this be about right (never mind maple vs. rosewood Strats) . . . Please make necessary corrections.

Bojan

Strat + EF86 based VoxAC15 or AC30

1. Apache
2. Quartermaster's Stores
3. The Stranger
4. Man of Mystery
5. Mustang
6. Theme From Shane
7. Shotgun
8. Theme From Giant
9. FBI
10. Midnight
11. The Frightened City
12. Back Home
13. Kon-Tiki
14. 36-24-36
15. Shadoogie
16. Blue Star
17. Nivram*
18. See You In My Drums
19. Gonzales
20. Find Me a Golden Street
21. My Resistance Is Low
22. Sleepwalk
23. Big Boy
24. The Savage
25. Peace Pipe
26. Wonderful Land
27. Guitar Tango**
28. Theme From The Boys
29. The Girls
30. Sweet Dreams
31. The Boys
32. The Rumble
33. Cosy
34. 1861
35. Perfidia
36. Little B
37. South Of The Border
38. Spring Is Nearly Here
39. Tales of a Raggy Tramline

* Gretsch
** acoustic

Strat + AC30 without EF86

1. Some Are Lonely
2. Dance On
3. All Day
4. Foot Tapper
5. The Breeze and I
6. Les Girls
7. Round and Round
8. Atlantis
9. I Want You to Want Me
10. Granada
11. Adios Muchachos
12. Valencia
13. Las Tres Carabelas
14. Shindig
15. It's Been a Blue Day
16. Geronimo
17. Shazam
18. Theme For Young Lovers


Burns + AC30

1. The Rise and Fall of Flingel Bunt
2. It's a Man's World
3. Chatanooga Choo Choo
4. Blue Shadows
5. Fandango
6. Tonight
7. Big B
8. In the Mood
9. Lonely Bull
10. Dakota
11. French Dressing
12. The High and the Mighty
13. Zambesi
14. Temptation
15. Walkin'
16. Rhythm and Greens
17. Ranka Chank
18. Main Theme
19. The Miracle
20. Genie With the Light Brown Lamp
21. Little Princess
22. A Place in the Sun
23. Brazil
24. The Lost City
25. Blue Sky, Blue Sea, Blue Me
26. Bossa Roo
27. Santa Anna
28. The Windjammer
29. National Provincial Samba

[ecca]

Guitar Tango ?
Strat ?

[Bojan]

Good point Ecca, I have corrected it.

[cockroach]

Very interesting Bojan, thank you!

So on which numbers did Hank play the Antoria and Selmer amp, before he got the Strat and AC15? And did Bruce play the Vega and/or the Grimshaw then and later behind Hank's Strat before Bruce got the Jazzmaster and Telecaster?? Apart from a few instrumentals like Jet Black and Chinchilla, I suppose any other pre-Strat recordings would have been Cliff's songs?

That pre- Apache era fascinates me, because there were no Fenders nor echo units being used then...and Jet still used his Framus basses..

(I also enjoyed watching old You tube clips of Lonnie Donegan live, with his lead player using just a big body Hofner archtop with just a pickup screwed on it, no controls, played through a small Selmer amp! I like basic primitive gear!)

[Bojan]

So guys, do you think my list is about accurate in terms of guitars/amps the Shads used for recording these songs? We can be fairly sure about most of them, but I have always wondered about a few. For example, was Dance On recorded through an AC15 or AC30? And what about Some Are Lonely? And what about South of the Border?. Also, in Fandango, did Hank use a Strat or a Burns? And did he use a Strat or a Burns in Theme for Young Lovers? It could go either way, because these guitars can sometimes sound very similar.

[RayL]

The absence of anything so far by Jim N can only mean that his typing on this topic has overheated his keyboard and he's waiting for it to cool down. In the mean time, dare I enquire about the inclusion of Nivram as a Strat number since even HM has mentioned that he used a Gretsch?

Ray

[phil kelly]

Hi Bojan,
dance on/ some are lonely, south of the border ac30, fandango burns, young lovers strat.
Regards,
Phil.

[JimN]

So guys, do you think my list is about accurate in terms of guitars/amps the Shads used for recording these songs? We can be fairly sure about most of them, but I have always wondered about a few. For example, was Dance On recorded through an AC15 or AC30? And what about Some Are Lonely? And what about South of the Border?. Also, in Fandango, did Hank use a Strat or a Burns? And did he use a Strat or a Burns in Theme for Young Lovers? It could go either way, because these guitars can sometimes sound very similar.

Dance On: recorded November or December 1962 (released before Christmas that year) - Hank had been using one or more AC30s (with top-boost on the back-panel) for over a year by then. The AC30 with added TB is described in the 1961 book "The Shadows By Themselves".

Some Are Lonely: recorded 19th December 1961 (it features Jet and Brian). That would have been an AC30 with added TB as well.

South Of The Border: recorded 12th April 1962. Probably the last Shads recording to feature Jet Harris. AC30 + TB.

Fandango: recorded 14th February 1964. Features John Rostill. Probably an AC30 with integral TB by this time (The Shadows always got relevant new Vox gear first as a priority). Almost certainly a Burns Marvin, which had been in use for studio work for some time by then.

HTH,

JN

[Bojan]

Of course Ray, your point is valid . . .

Thanks Phil and Jim . . . So, how far back would you guys say the AC30 went? I would be genuinely surprised to know that Spring Is Nearly Here, Cosy, Perfidia, Tales of a Raggy Tramline, Sweet Dreams was recorded with AC30 . . . in fact, was Wonderful Land recoded using a AC30 or AC15?

[phil kelly]

Hi Bojan,
spring, cosy ,perfidia, raggy t, sweet d ,wonderful land, all ac30 , 4 input or 6 input is debateable , i would have thought the 1st 5 nos are ac30 / 6 input, the tv front ac34 was available early / mid 1960 so w/land could be either , both amps can deliver the w / land tone so who knows ?
regards,
Phil.