Lack of Viewers Response

[Beebs]

Nice picture Ecca. Taken in the 60's?
lol

[roger bayliss]

When I first joined the site years back I was all over the sound files section, but as time has gone on it has become repetitive in some respects. No disrespect here just having to listen to someone else do Apache etc again has worn thin. I do try too listen though from time to time, but repetition does dum it down however good the files are. I have posted some myself and had zero responses and it can be disheartening and then others have been more successful.

Just carry on doing what you want and hope somebody listens and comments but do not take it to heart if they do not !

[Beebs]

If they fall on your head Noel, they'll certainly fall on mine for brooching the subject. Thks, Beebs

[tolo]

Interesting one - as Jim says...

I can see both sides - but typically Ecca is bang on. I will comment on those files that I find interesting to me - if there is something different about the arrangement or something that personal to the performer in there. Rarely do I find another version of an already pretty good Shadows track interesting to listen to unless there is something unique. I already have those recordings.

Also, I guess a lot depends on the desires and objective of the poster - I suppose there are different types.

A - The honest Johns. They simply want people to say 'well done' or 'that sounds just like the record' for gratification then to me it is a nice social thing to do - absolutely nothing wrong with it but not really my bag. I do enjoy listening to the progress that some of the guitar novices make - or the way people's skills develop in the recording field or video presentations - but not really the tunes themselves. These guys strive to improve - fair play to them for that.

B - The pseudo celebrities. These are the ones that think they are already the finished article (always dangerous). The other side of it can be fraught with difficulty as Ecca suggests. When people post something and ask for "feedback" - and I have obliged (with an honest sense of trying to help) by trying to give constructive feedback about something technical, or the recording, or the timing, the mix, the performance etc...etc... Rarely do I find that they really want something other than 'well done' or 'that sounds just like the record'. They say they want feedback but really they only want the good stuff and not the critique - then I have been on the end of some momentous sulks! The reality is that some of them are just not really very good or enjoyable to listen to. So I don't really offer my opinion or perspective any more really - and it is only one persons view anyway so I guess what is it worth - right?

C - The plagiarists (less said about that the better) - but to enjoy positive attention and plaudits by the community for something that they had no involvement in - both confuses and saddens me.

I really enjoy hearing things that are new -and where folks have stretched beyond 'the copy' and have created something that would not have otherwise existed. But that is just me - I have my own filter for these things - as do we all.

It is called the Mouse.

[Zaanse Shadow]

Thank yo Bob for futher explanation and I'll think you have a point here, but I.m not sure if it will works, cause people might think its only the opinion from a follow-member. I'll think it will better work when de managers of this site give a general message and asking for more involment and replaying on sound-and videofile.
Mind you, these are my thoughts only, but perhaps there are more people that can support my view.

Bye for now

Fred

[Allclaphands]

I for one if possible listen to a lot of sound files to understand how they have been played and put together and to compare it to the way I play it.
I agree with what Paul as said you can become over saturated with a lot of the same Shadows tunes through a certain unit and to expect positive
comments about it.
In the past when someone posted a sound file along with a explanation of the equipment,BT ect used in achieving it how and why they put it together
and sometimes with a video of them actually playing it made it all that much more interesting also that members can diversify and play other than
just Shadows Tunes. In saying that even these if there is a individual style played can be different and interesting
I suppose all in all this is a Shadows Music Forum so its only right that that Shadows Music is played on here and I know certain members test there
skills and talents getting as near to the originals as they possibly can with there equipment and I do really admire them for a lot of there recordings
are of a very good quality.
As far as other members listening to what is posted and commenting on them its difficult at the least you might expect those who do post sound files
to comment on each others and to those who say I don't comment because I don't play or post sound files myself you have a pair of ears and can listen
and just a one liner saying " I liked or enjoyed that" is not that hard to say, what possibly can be not very good is negative comments best not to say
anything than to be to over critical unless there asking for ways of making a recording better.
Also if members do comment it does not take much for the member posting the sound file to acknowledge it.

Pete

[Iain Purdon]

I'll think it will better work when de managers of this site give a general message and asking for more involment and replaying on sound-and videofile.

Hello Fred

Speaking as one of the site moderators, I'd just like to be clear. We don't control the way members want to use the site. It's your forum to use as you wish. Our only role is to keep an eye on things for the benefit of all, making sure things stay civilised and the site rules aren't infringed. That's pretty rare these days.

We don't have a policy on personal sound/video files. You're welcome to post them. If you would like other members to comment, may I suggest you give a bit of info about the performance and state clearly what kind of feedback you would find useful?

Hope this helps - Iain

[David Martin]

Interesting...

I haven't made any new sound files for years, but posted a few with different hardware recently to see if anyone was so secure in their knowledge of the sound of echo units that they could discern the differences between them. No one would risk it... and that's fine.

I think I'm right in saying that I was the first person to post sound files way back in the very earliest days of ShadowMusic on MSN Communities, just to see if I could! I was happy with the sound of them then, but they make me cringe a bit now - mind you, since acquiring arthritis in my hands, and leaving Legend, I've become so out of practice on some tunes that my live playing makes me cringe a bit now too!

My advice is to post tunes if you want to, but don't expect feedback, just the knowledge that you've shared with other fans. And if you get some feedback, then that's a bonus...

I love you all...

[dave robinson]

I too have made the mistake of offering constructive criticism when it isn't really what was required, but then people shouldn't ask if they don't want to hear.
I have picked up quite a bit from folks commenting on stuff that I have recorded, whether it be run of the mill Shadows tunes demonstrating the capability of a new piece of kit, or something a little different or even our own compositions.
Those who complain about repetition of classics should be mindful that when I post them it is usually because they have been asked for to demonstrate whether an echo machine can or cannot do the business as required by a perspective buyer.
Only very recently, someone asked me to go through the song list comparing echo A with echo B, but that ship sailed when the Hall & Collins arrived.
What I have done is demonstrate that budget amps are more than enough to get a result at home.
I play a whole selection of stuff on a regular basis to packed theatre audiences, so I don't really bother too much about whether or not anyone here makes favourable comments or not, it's the people that pay my wages and keep me in guitars and cars that matter to me.

As for making comments of my own, if it's something I like and can see the hard work that's gone into it, then I generally support it, but if I don't like it or think it's rubbish, I think it best to say nothing, apart from sometimes trying to offer constructive criticism. Like I said, even that isn't always welcome.
I decided long ago to let people go on making the same mistakes, it's not worth the hassle to bother saying anything.
As for Ecca's claim about the tittle tattle amongst members not commenting because they didn't receive a comment, there's probably truth in that too.

I am at the moment going through the process of getting back playing again having been disabled through the results of chemotherapy which destroyed the nerves in my hands, so I suppose I do feel pleased when someone notices I'm getting it back, as David M mentioned in a thread recently.

I made that comment a few weeks ago when I saw Bob had made the effort with an original track that I thought was good, but there were many 'takers' but no encouragement for him, which peed me of somewhat, but what's new around here ? It's always been that way. It's becoming the way of the world and it's a worse place for it. A polite message of thanks costs nothing.

[Rjanuarsa]

I think people are just not into it anymore.
When I joined the "original" ShadowMusic 16-17 years ago, everything was new. Internet was fairly new, this community was brand new, and we were all making new friends from all over the world, new echo machines just came out, people were forming new Shadows bands, New Shadows clubs and there was the first Shadowmania. Great excitement! We were all excited and about 17 years younger too
I remember we had Apache competition where everyone submitted their own version of Apache, some are good and some are not so good but no one got offended. Soundfiles were new things back then, being able to share them on the internet excites everyone which leads people to comment and ask questions. Not anymore now, we are 17 years older and a little bit crankier these days

I guess, you just keep sharing your soundfiles or videos for your own excitement and pleasure. Comments and feedbacks are bonus.

Having said that (I have said this before), I am personally always grateful of the existence of this site for its wealth of information and knowledge, and most importantly making friends all around the world. The man who made all this possible is David Martin without whom this site never exist! Thanks David!

I am not the greatest writer in the world but I hope it makes sense.

Regards,
Robby

P.S: I still play Apache everyday, just like the record if anyone wants to hear it